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ratnakhatun123@ · Dołączył: 03 Gru 2023 Posty: 1

Real debate with a Calvinist about the security of one's salvation. I don't put the name of the separated brother because I don't think it's necessary. In my quotations from Scripture I use the Reina Valera of '60, which is the best known among Spanish-speaking Protestants. In fact, along with the Catholic Nacar Colunga, it is the Bible that is easiest for me to consult. It makes things a lot easier for me when I talk to them: Calvinist: The greatest motivation we have to walk the path holding the hand of Christ is that He will not let us go if our fingers loosen . Me: That is as true as that “ he who thinks he stands firm must take care that he does not fall ”) and “ so I run in this way, not as if I were at random; In this way I fight, not as one who strikes the air, but I strike my body, and put it into bondage, lest, having been a herald to others, I myself come to be destroyed . May God grant that we can say that “ we are not of those who turn back to perdition, but of those who have faith for the preservation of the soul ” (Heb 10:39) — Calvinist: The fall can come to the self-confident but never by trusting in the one whose strong hand he goes.

The certainty and security of salvation makes us advance straightly , and indecision and insecurity cause us to stumble and set back. I do not preserve my soul but trust in him in whom I have believed and is able to keep my deposit for that day . Me: Saint Paul Country Email List precisely says that those who believe themselves to be very certain of their salvation can fall. But yes, we can trust that God will not let us fall fatally. — Calvinist: I understand that there is a valid nuance between being certain and knowing oneself certain of salvation with what Paul suggests as rather boasting in one's own firmness. Me: The thing about being certain and knowing oneself personally saved for eternity, as a general rule, does not appear anywhere in Scripture. We can sense that we are among the chosen, but absolute certainty, except for special revelation from God, is not for all the saved.

You know well that quite a few who seemed to be completely on the path to salvation have later turned out to be lost. If they had been asked, they could have said that they were certain to be among the chosen ones. But then it turned out that this was not the case, although obviously only God knows one hundred percent if someone dies in grace or not. You don't need to tell me that those were never actually among the chosen ones because I already know that. God has decreed before the foundation of the world who would be saved and has given them the grace to be saved. And as you have said in another comment, the damned are not condemned by God's decree - Calvin errs there - but by their sins, lack of repentance and rejection of grace. — Calvinist: My assessment in this regard is that there is more than enough and compelling scriptural testimony, mainly in the NT. In Pauline theology, relating faith to salvation. In the teachings of Jesus himself, in believing and having eternal life.
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